Hello,everybody!

[dreamlandvoice]

Hello, all friends here! I come from China and also in hope to learn more about India, a country with a history almost as long as China.

Chauvinist apart, I want to see constructive, rational ideas about cultures, about economic development, about your political tendencies and all that may trigger your fantastic imaginations!

Wish you a nice day!

[Silverbackman]

Hello, all friends here! I come from China and also in hope to learn more about India, a country with a history almost as long as China.

Chauvinist apart, I want to see constructive, rational ideas about cultures, about economic development, about your political tendencies and all that may trigger your fantastic imaginations!

Wish you a nice day!

Heh heh, we have a lot of Chinese coming to this forum lately (which is not a bad thing).

India is truly a great country as some of the Indians here will tell you. Although not Indian, I do know quite a bit about India (and China ). What is particular do you want to know?

[dreamlandvoice]

The greatness of language is it is devised for mutual understanding...

Heh heh, we have a lot of Chinese coming to this forum lately (which is not a bad thing).

India is truly a great country as some of the Indians here will tell you. Although not Indian, I do know quite a bit about India (and China ). What is particular do you want to know?

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Hi, dear friend, thanks for your responding!

I am convinced that the greatness of language is, it's devised for mutual understanding, neither for hatred, nor for distrust...

The courtesy of a speaker of a certain language indicates to some extent the compatibility of the language. As applies to both Indian and Chinese.

As you mentioned there are more and more Chinese logged in this forum recently...No bad, I totally agree to what you said, as we see there's a current of seeking mutual understanding...

I saw in another thread one of my compatriots put up a post on how Indian looks in the eyes of Chinese. And I also saw disputes and abuses thereafter induced....

And now, I would like to come up with an related question, what does Chinese look like in the eyes of Indians?

Any personal attacks or goundless remarks that may cause misunderstanding are not welcome. As I believe, speakers from a great nation with such a longstanding cultural tradition should have enough compatibility to go beyon your horizon......

Finally I think it's necessary to claim that I am not a good english speaker as a Chinese, and hope any misdescriptions could be forgiven or pointed out, thanks!

[Silverbackman]

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Hi, dear friend, thanks for your responding!

I am convinced that the greatness of language is, it's devised for mutual understanding, neither for hatred, nor for distrust...

The courtesy of a speaker of a certain language indicates to some extent the compatibility of the language. As applies to both Indian and Chinese.

As you mentioned there are more and more Chinese logged in this forum recently...No bad, I totally agree to what you said, as we see there's a current of seeking mutual understanding...

I saw in another thread one of my compatriots put up a post on how Indian looks in the eyes of Chinese. And I also saw disputes and abuses thereafter induced....

And now, I would like to come up with an related question, what does Chinese look like in the eyes of Indians?

Any personal attacks or goundless remarks that may cause misunderstanding are not welcome. As I believe, speakers from a great nation with such a longstanding cultural tradition should have enough compatibility to go beyon your horizon......

Finally I think it's necessary to claim that I am not a good english speaker as a Chinese, and hope any misdescriptions could be forgiven or pointed out, thanks!

To an American like me, China poses a threat being under the CPC. Americans have never liked China's government under the CPC but likes the Republic of China (Taiwan or KMT).

China is truly a great country of rich culture. Hopefully Indians, Chinese, and Americans can all work together for a bright future.

I hope China will one day become a democratic republic but because of the CPC that vision may be far off in the future. I also support the ROC more because it preserved Chinese traditional culture more. In CPC mainland some of the family structure for example has been destroyed by the CPC.

[dreamlandvoice]

Mr. Silverbackman: are you American? if so, please tell me...

To an American like me, China poses a threat being under the CPC. Americans have never liked China's government under the CPC but likes the Republic of China (Taiwan or KMT).

China is truly a great country of rich culture. Hopefully Indians, Chinese, and Americans can all work together for a bright future.

I hope China will one day become a democratic republic but because of the CPC that vision may be far off in the future. I also support the ROC more because it preserved Chinese traditional culture more. In CPC mainland some of the family structure for example has been destroyed by the CPC.

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Thanks for responding again, Mr. Silverbackman.

As claimed at the beginning, constructive remarks are welcome here. Thanks for what you said that China is a great country of rich culture and showed your good intention for a prospect of shared bright future together :-)

However, before asserting your striking announcements on China, could you please make certain the following points:

1) are you american? or American Indian? or are you first of all an american or Indian?
2) Do you think you can stand for all american in China issue?
3) What makes you think China under CCP poses a threat to American?
4) Are you sure what you said is totally without any prejudice or resultless/ profitless arrogance? in God's name?(as what claimed on US dollars)
5) Do you think it's constructive if I say," I hope the united states to be socialized one day for their marketing of totalitarian/hypocritical Democracy poses a threat to the whole world including itself"?
6) I want to communicate with a true, faithful Indian friend wearing no colored glasses.

Thanks!

Dreamlandvoice
China
April 3rd, 2006

[observer]

Hi dreamlady, nice to have you on the forum.

I am an Indian and I will tell you how China and its people appear to us Indians in my view.

We know China to be the inventor of a lot of important and useful things as far back as 2000 years ago, like gun-powder, umbrella, rockets and other things which I forgot.

Nowadays of course, China's rapid economic development is applauded in India and makes Indians happy to see a formerly developing country like theirs achieve such development.

Before this happened though, China didn't figure a lot in the Indian public's mind, between the earlier decades of friendship in the 1950's and the war in 1962, and the last decade I think. The idea of China then, say in the 80s or 90s, was vague in an Indian's mind. Only in recent years, because of the world attention that China has been receiving that Indians have started to know more about China.

Nowadays China is known for having "Made in China" on every other little gadget found in shops

As for Communism in China, actually it was never India's concern anytime, partly maybe because India has traditionally had a mixed system itself with democracy and socialism thrown in, maybe because Indians don't have a tendency to poke their nose into what system of governance another country follows.

And lastly I will tell you that I've always found similarities between an Indian and a Chinese because we have similarly old, significant civilizations, our countries in their modern forms were formed at around the same time (for India 1947 and for China 1949), and for most of our modern history if not earlier, our people have lived in similar conditions.

There's a lot to know about China for Indians because it was mostly out of the Indian people's mind for many decades. So China is an interesting country and very important for us, being in our neighbourhood. Looking forward to know China more

[India1989]

I am an Indian and to me China is a fantastic country with great developments.

Improvements in every field which takes us by surprise. Its really amazing and heartening to see China develop so much. But something makes me a bit dissapointed. Suddenly these chinese comes to our forums and talks bad things about India. They start saying that this is not a part of India, India is not a true democracy and they never appreciate India.

Then secondly where i lived i came to know that China sends all the good stuffs to US and Canada and all the bad goods with defects come to India. Thus we buy them and waste our money.

thus in Kolkata people doesn't buy any foreign goods. What they buy now is only Indian goods.

Otherwise CHinese culture is rich, good, fantastic, mind boggling and their progress is heartning.

Now i wanna ask how does an Indian look in Chinese's eyes?

[Silverbackman]

1) are you american? or American Indian? or are you first of all an american or Indian?

The best name to use would probably be Indian American. I was born and raised in America but my parents and my ethnicity are Indian.

2) Do you think you can stand for all american in China issue?

Well I can't say all Americans think like me because opinions vary from person to person. Americans generally have a lot of respect for China's history but dislike the current communist regime, reformed or not.

3) What makes you think China under CCP poses a threat to American?

Well there are no democratic elections so if some greedy politicians come into power and want to make war on the US we may have something like we did during the Cold War era.

4) Are you sure what you said is totally without any prejudice or resultless/ profitless arrogance? in God's name?(as what claimed on US dollars)

Am I telling the truth? Yes I am. Don't worry though, we are not so threatened by China. We just don't like the communist regime and this is why we support Taiwan independence, whether they be Chinese or not.

5) Do you think it's constructive if I say," I hope the united states to be socialized one day for their marketing of totalitarian/hypocritical Democracy poses a threat to the whole world including itself"?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Many Americans want are against most forms of socialism (at least I am) so it wouldn't be hypocritical to say we are against many of China's system.

6) I want to communicate with a true, faithful Indian friend wearing no colored glasses.

Huh?

[dreamlandvoice]

Hi dreamlady, nice to have you on the forum.

I am an Indian and I will tell you how China and its people appear to us Indians in my view.

We know China to be the inventor of a lot of important and useful things as far back as 2000 years ago, like gun-powder, umbrella, rockets and other things which I forgot.

Nowadays of course, China's rapid economic development is applauded in India and makes Indians happy to see a formerly developing country like theirs achieve such development.

Before this happened though, China didn't figure a lot in the Indian public's mind, between the earlier decades of friendship in the 1950's and the war in 1962, and the last decade I think. The idea of China then, say in the 80s or 90s, was vague in an Indian's mind. Only in recent years, because of the world attention that China has been receiving that Indians have started to know more about China.

Nowadays China is known for having "Made in China" on every other little gadget found in shops

As for Communism in China, actually it was never India's concern anytime, partly maybe because India has traditionally had a mixed system itself with democracy and socialism thrown in, maybe because Indians don't have a tendency to poke their nose into what system of governance another country follows.

And lastly I will tell you that I've always found similarities between an Indian and a Chinese because we have similarly old, significant civilizations, our countries in their modern forms were formed at around the same time (for India 1947 and for China 1949), and for most of our modern history if not earlier, our people have lived in similar conditions.

There's a lot to know about China for Indians because it was mostly out of the Indian people's mind for many decades. So China is an interesting country and very important for us, being in our neighbourhood. Looking forward to know China more

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Thanks for your echoing, oberserver!

Generally I agree to what you said and assume it's basically telling the truth of perceptions of Indian on China, and now would like to state some facts in my mind also as an ordinary chinese.

First I want to point out is the idea of history. No one would doubt that both of our nations have gone through nearly the same long history of about 5,000 years and undergone similar experiences, such as religion, feudalism, colonialism, independence from the oppression of western powers, separatism and the emergence as a new power in the new century till today. The decades of mutual isolation, namely, ranging from 1960s to 1980s, if compared with such a long history that past with continual mutual communication between the two, stands to be no more than an instant to be likely overlooked in the forseeable future.

And the second, we both still have shared ideas not only at present but also in the future and based on which it's deemed possible for further cooperation and future peaceful co-existence. These ideas are:

1)neither nation cannot afford a hostile and resentful neighboring country:

2)cultural compatibility;both Asian nations have witnessed the history of beneficial and successful cultural communication as is noticeably different from the clashes between Christianity and Islam;

3)both pursue independence in their foreign policies and the idea of Multi-polarity are shared especially when it comes to the relationships with the superpower;

4)competition doesn't necessarily lead to confrontation and conflict. It's undeniable that the two countries as rising economies have inevitable conflicts in their national interests, but it should possibly be avoided to become strategic adversaries with the preset policies of mutual accommodation and mutual trust and events happened between the two in recent years have marked the possibility and willingnesses of both governments.

Another fact which is worth to mention is, both nations are wise enough to conceive and constitute strategic policies for their future development. As it is said by the former president of the united states, Nixon, that the western thinks in decays, and the eastern thinks in centuries. It is. We will sure to surpass the obstacles in cooperation and see what's there brighter on the path leading to a predicatable future.

Regarding communism in China. I think it's well known that communism came from not China but western, and, considering it in a historical view, it's evolving with the time, could anyone think that the present capitalism can be identified with which back to even half a century ago, and the now socialism in china with which back to half a century ago? Those with a stiff,unchanged historical view are stupid!

Well, there are too much to talk about yet it makes little sense to stop rational idea exchanging. I appreciate and expect your further observation and comments.

Thanks!

Dreamlandvoice
China
April 5th. 2006

[Silverbackman]

Although the People's Republic Of China has largelly become capitalistic, it doesn't change the fact that it still is under a communist regime. And we all know that China's traditional culture is threatened until communism is destroyed completly.

[dreamlandvoice]

I am an Indian and to me China is a fantastic country with great developments.

Improvements in every field which takes us by surprise. Its really amazing and heartening to see China develop so much. But something makes me a bit dissapointed. Suddenly these chinese comes to our forums and talks bad things about India. They start saying that this is not a part of India, India is not a true democracy and they never appreciate India.

Then secondly where i lived i came to know that China sends all the good stuffs to US and Canada and all the bad goods with defects come to India. Thus we buy them and waste our money.

thus in Kolkata people doesn't buy any foreign goods. What they buy now is only Indian goods.

Otherwise CHinese culture is rich, good, fantastic, mind boggling and their progress is heartning.

Now i wanna ask how does an Indian look in Chinese's eyes?

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Hello, India1989.

I guess what you concern most is how does Indian look like in Chinese's eyes. Herein I would like to give a positive answer. Basically, we see Indian as a brother with whom we had gone through the ups and downs in the river of the long history. We did have quarrels, and we did have hospitality. No one in China doesn't know the story of the famous buddhist Tangsanzang(Chinese name)who went to India to visit Sakyamuni for Buddhism scripts. And since then on, Buddhism became one of the mainstream religions in china(with the others two Confucianism and Taoism). And in today's china. We have the following impressions of India:
1. a great nation with a long history and longlasting civilization.
2. a huge population which poses as both an encumbrance and potential contradictively to its development.
3. an independent state especially in its foreign policy with a predetermined strategy.
4. rapidly developing economy though still lags behind china temporarily
5. sound in democratic mechanism but lacks efficiency.
6. seeking global power in both economy and military
7. competitions with china will emerge yet different from Japan.
8. willing to cooperate with china to some degree in purpose to seek a multi-polar world political order.
9. prone to draw conclusions before practical and effective investigation.
10. quite undeveloped in its infrastructure with bulls walking on the street.
11. developed software industry
12. beautiful Indian girls in movies were dream lovers of many chinese when they were young. However, people who visited India are always disappointed.

As to the issue you came up with that China sent good products to north ameica and inferior to India, I have no idea as I have never heard of this and witnessed no facts of such complaints. Yet I still would like to show my objection to such unfair business style if they were facts, and convinced this will be improved with time for China in many respects are still a developping country, it's marketing is still far from being mature.

Have a nice day!
Dreamlandvoice
China
April 5, 2006

[dreamlandvoice]

Seek truth from facts

Although the People's Republic Of China has largelly become capitalistic, it doesn't change the fact that it still is under a communist regime. And we all know that China's traditional culture is threatened until communism is destroyed completly.

Hello, Sir.

First I want to say, thanks for your concern over Chinese traditional culture, you really have brought forth a good question though the conclusion appears a bit imprudent.

I am not sure whether ameican students study philosophy or not, in china we study philosophy including actually not limited to communistic theory. And if you don't object I would like to tell you one of China's well-known idiom, Seek truth from facts, which means if you want to draw a conclusion, probe into the facts prior to all.

China has its unique history, so does India. What do you know the former Indian Prime minister, Nehru had come up with as the state policy? yes, you know, they are "democratism, socialism, and secularism"! Unique history and distinctive situation of a nation contribute to be the decisive factors in the selection of it's political system. Capitalism isn't inborn superior, Socialism isn't innate inferior, isn't it?

Seek truth from the facts. If you want to know what and how Chinese government has done to protect it's cultural tradition and during the process to creat new, great civilization, please make some study first on contemporary china's history then conclude. Otherwise it would be a waste of time for me to give further explanations.

American is also a great nation for it's compatibility because of the fact that it's actually in essence a community of immigrants. In history it stands as a pool of elites from all over the world no matter which ethnicity a citizen is. It is actually not so exclusive and if so, there would be certain unspoken reasons---the yellow knows, the brown knows, the black knows and even the white from Europe knows.

At last, I would like to quote some remarks by former president of the united states, Nixon, who was seen as a man of vision: We have at times in the past been enemies.We have great differences today. What brings us together is that we have common interests which transcend those differences. As we discuss our differences, neither of us will compromise our principles. But while we cannot close the gulf between us, we can try to bridge it so that we may be able to talk across it."

Thanks!

Dreamlandvoice
China
April 5,2006