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  • The war between China and India in 1962

    Reconsiders the China and India war



    Day before yesterday, saw to 1962 the China and India conflict material, really felt the anxiety. Around 1962, China and India eruption boundary war. The war origins from China and India "the MMAHON line", is evil consequence which the British empire colonialism plants.

    1.the MMAHON line is the illegal separatrix, is a separatrix which the English delimits at will, does not have any law, the treaty, the historical basis. At the same time, England lured the illegal agreement which the Tibet local authority signed at that time, inadequately for this separatrix basis. The Chinese all previous years central authorities already do not acknowledge the MMAHON line, also did not acknowledge the English India government and the Tibet local authority signs agreement.

    2, the war cause lies in, after the independence Indian government presumptuously thinks by this line to take the separatrix, unilaterally delimits the national boundary between both countries, extremely does not gather the international convention and the criterion; Indian armed force marks off the statement along with the Indian government, unceasingly to the boundary line advancement, builds the massive gate houses, and crossed "the MMAHON line" so-called, voluntarily assigns the boundary, its behavior quite unreasonable, is shameless!

    3, the war advancement indicated that, the Indian government army collapses at the first blow. In the war, the bilateral weapon quite, the army population approximately quite, finally, Indian armed force loses more than 6,000 people, is captured several thousand people, including a brigadier general person, China loses approximately 700 people, not the war prisoner, Chinese front advancement to "the MMAHON line", the part crossed this.

    4th, the war indicated that, backwardness needs to come under attack, the international politics only has the benefit. 1962 China, beset with difficulties both at home and abroad, in has three years disaster, outside has the united states and chiang to initiate a turn of offensive. Soviet Union was arousing the missile crisis conflict at that time with US, the conflict just a conclusion, Soviet Union transfers the mouth to criticize China, really wore is hateful. Because of this, India only then is bully visits.

    5th, the war has torn into shreds India "non-allied" the false coat, lets Nehru be defeated , the conclusion apparents the great glory image. In the war later period, India starts to accept national weapon aid and so on English America, takes the leadership "non-allied" the movement country, hereafter on "non-allied" center the status as soon as falls thousand weaponry.

    6th, the war result is big the world to expect, China wins draws back the armed force, also returns all prisoners of war and the war booty. Chinese then consideration was: Chinese rear service support supports and the English America country start with difficulty enters. At the same time, also conforms to the Chinese tradition psychology custom, Rao Renchu also bountiful person. China quits when you're ahead, for the face which the Indian government left office, avoided China and India for capture the territory to have the protracted war.

    7th, I believe, China draws back the armed force truly too to be many, draws back to the prewar Line of Actual Control, also again draws back 20 kilometers, changes hands to the hand big piece land. But the Indian government seizes the chance to occupy the existence dispute the land, and massive immigrations. If China can defend stubbornly the frontline position, or embarks from the political war, symbolic oves defends stubbornly again, then will grasp later to solve the territory conflict initiative, to the later advantageous influence will be inestimable. At that time Chinese army take the frontier force primarily, reassigned in Tibet and in the Sichuan army as auxiliary, namely greatly broke the Indian armed force main force, was precisely the three services goes all out, the populace supported result. After Indian armed force defeats the morale of troops to disperse, believed Chinese symbollic, again returns the prisoner of war to show in order to help is good, India not necessarily dares to fight again. Nowadays the situation has become, the China and India territory conflict inevitably for a long time will maintain. But India cared for into the South Asia overlord along with the recent years fast development, its economical, technical, the army non- former days have been possible compared to, its military development trend, the marine fleet to enter the Pacific Ocean, the development nucleus military and so on the strategic target, all take China as the imaginary match, became the future trouble.
    Last edited by ybbqj; 02-01-2007, 01:51 PM.

  • #2
    Had nehru been more smarter at that time we wouldn't have been defeated so badly. But still congrats to Chinese that they won. And its true that you gave us back our POW's. That's really nice and kind. We also do the same thing like we gave back Pakistan 93000 POW's in1971 war. But its not the same with the Pakistanis. THey mutilate the body of enemy soldiers and toss them across the border.

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    • #3
      The last word on the war hasn't been written yet.

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      • #4
        yeah these chinese won one war somehow by the method of cowardice, they think they rule.

        u r no match now. we will finish u. if nukes are not used we will defeat u. u underestimate India too much.

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        • #5
          Bring it on!!! We are ready. You need so many people and weapons to handle us. We just need these to blow you guys up once and for all.

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            • #7
              You mean your missile technology, battleplane and battleship
              technology have any advantage over China's?
              hahaha
              I have to warn you that you are repeating the same mistake of 1962

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              • #8
                "I am tired about talking that confilct in 1962,we should look forward!" by ??? (whatever)

                why?

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                • #9
                  Everywhere I go the Chinese are doing the same thing. The come to Indian forums and open their big mouth to dish out their propaganda. They do it everywhere! Every forum on the internet! They are so ignorant. We continue to turn the other cheek and they talk the worse about our India. But no matter. They can continue on their path to destruction.

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                  • #10
                    1962 was nothing. China withdrew before major battle could take place. You think taking on a bunch of Indians who live on the plains on your favoured territory the mountains was bravery? India didn't even deploy its air force in 1962. What pride over a 6 day border skirmish hah!

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                    • #11
                      The following is from "India's China War" by Neville Maxwell
                      see how the great India behave in 1962.

                      On November 20, the American Ambassador noted "ultimate panic in Delhi, the first time I have ever witnessed the disintegration of public morale." Fear was in the air, and rumors were spreading that the Chinese were about to take Tezpur, even land paratroops in the capital, and that General Kaul was taken prisoner. Late that night Nehru made an urgent and open appeal for the intervention of the United States with bombers and fighters squadrons to go into action against the Chinese. Nehru requested fifteen squadrons and appealed American aircraft to undertake strikes against Chinese troops on Indian territory and to provide cover for Indian cities. In response, an American aircraft carrier was dispatched from the Pacific towards Indian waters, but the crisis passed twenty-four hours after Nehru made this appeal, and the aircraft carrier turned back.

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                      • #12
                        Don't quote that idiot Maxwell. He called Indians "useless , lazy people" or words to that effect. One could see his dislike for brown skinned Indian people from that statement. He was a partial writer only telling the Chinese side of the story. If he decided to suck Chinese ass that's no reason for you Chinese to jump up and down and quote him.

                        I can show a 100 reputed miltary historical records which say Indian Airforce was superior at that time compared to the Chinese airforce. There is no way China could have done anything with its airforce (which it didn't afterall, why?) whereas Indian airforce was sitting on the ground without being used by the foolish Nehru (he was fool the 1st time itself to sign a cooperation agreement with you Chinese).

                        Let me tell you Chinese aren't anything scary to Indian people despite what you Chinese might keep on thinking idiotically. India may think better before picking a fight with the US or EU but the common Indian doesn't think anything of China, never did. What the common Indian thinks of the Chinese from 1962 is as an unreliable, rogue country that went back on its word and can't be trusted.

                        Lastly there may have been some concern amongst the Indian public in 1962 with reports of impending airstrikes but common people from anywhere would be concerned in such circumstances. That is nothing to showcase in it which only malicious people like Maxwell and Chinese like you would do. There was leadership failure in India yes. That's why you Chinese gained whatever border territories you gained.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by observer
                          . He was a partial writer only telling the Chinese side of the story. .
                          Actually, if you really read that book, you would easily find the book is exclusively based on Indian Defense Department's archive. because he has no access to any chinese document of that war. hehe. I don't think he is biased against India. on the contrary, he is strongly biased against china. because This book adopts many Indian assertations. for example, It claims that Indian army in this war was outmanned and outgunned by Chinese. In fact, the two army of both sides are of roughly the same size. Since China got many more strong neighbours and enemies than India, She has to maintain large forces on the border of Soviet Rassia, on the border of Korean in preparation for the possible invasion of US force, and on the southeast coast to watch Taiwan, who always threat to recover the mainland.How can Chinese outmanned Indian on the desolate Tibetan plateau?

                          another wrong Indian assertation in this book is that they believe Chinese army are better supplied in the war. If we simply have a look of a map we would easily know the Indian side of the border is mostly plain, while Chinese side is the vast mountainous Tibetan plateau.It's much more difficult to build roads on Chinese side (in fact there is no railway cuts into Tibet even nowadays, 2004). Indian army could be supplied by air, the Chinese actually were supplied by men and mules.The author could have easily know this point if he got chance to read some Chinese documents about the war.


                          Originally posted by observer
                          . I can show a 100 reputed miltary historical records which say Indian Airforce was superior at that time compared to the Chinese airforce.
                          ok, maybe you are right. at that time, indian can buy more and better air fighers from USSR and the west, while china is banned by them both. but my point is, china can manufacture our own fighter in 1955 (of course copying Mig). but india had not any air industry at the time of 1962. if an air war broke out, how long can you sustain? if your air force cannot get supplement from local industry but only rely on oversea trade, you know the result...

                          I tell you the true reason why Nehru did not use airforce. see the map please, chinese airforce basements in Tibet is only 400 KM from New Dehli. but any indian airforce basement is at least 4000 KM away from Beijing and shanghai, in such a situation, not to use airforce is a wise decision. otherwise all north indian cities would be put in "sea of fire", while you could not make even a tiny hurt to Beijing and shanghai...

                          I think I make it clear...
                          Last edited by snower; 09-30-2006, 02:04 AM.

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                          • #14
                            The official Indian war history for 1962 hasn't been relased till today to anyone. How did Maxwell access it? That sounds suspicious then and there. Moreover this book by Maxwell became quite popular among China's leaders who wielded it on many occassions to tell the world about Indian's "agression". So the book became a tool in China's information warfare. All this when this book's validity hasn't been established till today.

                            Regarding the number of soldiers fighting, the fighting infact took place on mountaneous terrain where Indian soldiers were in less numbers and untrained for mountain war. On the other hand China funnily (or perhaps not so surprisingly) withdrew when the time came to fight on the plains.

                            I don't know whether China could manufacture any fighters at that time but only being able to make your own spares don't help much when the planes themselves are weak.

                            In any case the war that happened in 1962 was a border skirmish which got bungled up by India's incompetent leaders of that time. Here's another border skirmish that happened in 1967 which was somewhat payback time --



                            In 1965, two significant events took place on the Sine-Indian border. The first was the warning issued to India about Chinese sheep not being allowed to graze on their side of the border by India. This happened in September 1965 when the Indo-Pak war was simmering on India’s western border.

                            At the same time, in September-December 1965, the PLA sent probing missions on the entire Sikkim-Tibet border. According to one account, there were seven border intrusions on the Sikkim-Tibet border between September 7 and December 12, 1965, involving the PLA. In all these border incursions, the Indian side responded “firmly” without provoking the other. Though details of casualties of these PLA border incursions are not reported, there were reports indicating that the PLA suffered “heavy” casualties against “moderate” loss by India.

                            Two years later, in September 1967, in spite of their setbacks in 1965, the PLA launched a direct attack on the lndian armed forces at Nathu La, on the Sikkim-Tibet border. The six-day “border skirmishes” from September 7-6 to 13, 1967, had all the elements of a high drama, including exchange of heavy artillery fire, and the PLA soldiers tried to cross the border in large numbers.

                            The attack was repulsed at all points, According to an account of this incident, from the details of the fighting available, it appeared the Chinese had received a severe mauling in the artillery duels across the barbed wire fence. Indian gunners scored several direct hits on Chinese bunkers, including a command post from where the Chinese operations were being directed. The Chinese were also known to have suffered at least twice as many casualties as the Indians in this encounter between Indian and Chinese armed forces.

                            The important point to be remembered in this context is that the late Chairman Mao launched his Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution (GPCR) in 1965 and it reached its peak in 1967 to weed out all ‘anti-socialist elements” from the Chinese polity. Though many Sinologists would not like to describe the GPCR in any other manner, for an outsider like me, it was essentially a power struggle between Chairman Mao and his adversaries.

                            However, for the purposes of this essay, three significant things emerged from the Nathu La episode on the Sikkim-Tibet border. First, the Indian armed forces demonstrated beyond doubt that the PLA is not as strong and motivated as it was made out to be. In fact, there were rumours, around September 10, 1967, that the PLA was planning to bring in the Air Force to escalate the conflict. Sensing that the Indians were getting ready for such an eventuality, the Chinese official news agency, Xinhua, denied having any such plans.

                            Second, the Indian politico-military leadership quickly realised this myth about the PLA. This was clearly reflected in the unconditional ceasefire proposed by India in a note delivered to the Chinese on September 12, 1967, all along the Sikkim-Tibet border from 05.30 hrs on September 13. Though officially, the Chinese rejected this unilateral ceasefire offer by India, except for an occasional salvo by the PLA on September 13, 1967, there was a lull all along the border. Many observers felt India scored a psychological victory over the Chinese for the latter’s unilateral ceasefire in 1962.

                            Lastly, the Indian political leadership also realised that the PLA’s behavioural pattern on the border had something to do with the domestic turmoil then going on in China
                            From - http://ignca.nic.in/ks_41065.htm
                            Last edited by observer; 09-30-2006, 02:21 AM.

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                            • #15
                              The Indian politicians screwed up in 1962 & the Chinese rats took advantage of that.
                              Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani

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