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  • Are Indians Racist?

    I came across this article and I was intrigued to see how people felt about India? Are we a racist country?


    Last edited by Parveen Komal; 12-12-2008, 05:07 PM.

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    I think Indians are immature about their behaviour towards anyone who is different from them. For eg. Indians also stare at fat people or handicapped people. Of course, in India fair skin is given great importance and people keep on debating without any definite conclusions about where this has come from - European colonialism, Central Asian invasions or the supposed Aryan invasion.

    But let's not forget how Indians are treated in many African and Carribean countries too where they are present. They are called "coolies" (from the British era word for porters/labourers) and there is much hatred for them.

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    • #3
      Indians not a racist people, but its also true some interior(villages) and uneducated people having this mentality

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      • #4
        Nikster u should say "are u indians racist". and not "are we indians racist". Because u r not an indian. You are a second class indian who cares nothing for india and you are full of hatred for it.

        You could not debate with me on racism in the other thread so u started a new thread to malign india.

        Which other country has so much of caste, class and population diversity as in india???

        In which country the president prime minster and the president of the ruling party from minority community?? (inspite of the fact that except for the president the other two are good for nothing)

        In which country u can find people from all castes in ever state???

        In which country minorities have more rights then the majority?

        One attack in US and few bomb blasts in London. And muslim women cant wear a burqa there. Muslims are targeted and killed on streets.

        We have been tolerating this for last 17 years. And still muslims live here more peacefully then in pakistan or afghanistan.

        Indians are the future model of the world on how to tolerate each other inspite of differences and live peacefully.

        You are racist. We indians are certainly not.
        Last edited by rohit khaitan; 02-09-2007, 10:02 PM.

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        • #5
          Woh Rohit, calm down there man. Our last exchange regarded casteism, not racism, and I thought it was very enlightening. I stopped because we seemed to be going over the same thing. I thought we had covered enough groud and I wanted the topic to move on. Didn't mean for you to hold such a grudge.

          Also, thank you for proving to everyone how India is not racist by calling me a second class Indian. Go figure.

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          • #6
            I have no grudge for the previous post.

            But when u say Are Indians racist. You mean 100 crore indians living here and not a few thousands who are actually racist.

            And I call u a second class indian not because i am racist or believe in caste divisions . Infact i dont know what caste are you and do not care to know either.

            You very well know why i call u a second class indian.

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            • #7
              The UN Convention on the Elimination of Racism defines caste oppression as racism. Seen in this light, India might be called racist. India government strongly rejects this definition, though.

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              • #8
                oh really agra. And what do u know about india to support u r claim???

                How can u say that there is caste opression in india? And which indian govt official rejected this definition on UN???

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rohit khaitan
                  oh really agra. And what do u know about india to support u r claim???
                  How can u say that there is caste opression in india? And which indian govt official rejected this definition on UN???
                  "Caste oppression" may be a bit strong. How about "caste discrimination"? Do you agree that there is discrimination against scheduled castes such as Dalits in India?

                  Although the International Convention on the Elimination of All forms of Racial Discrimination is about racial discrimination, the scope of the convention goes beyond that to cover discriminations based on descent, language, culture etc. Naturally discrimination based on caste is considered racial discrimination, hence the conclusion that India is a racist country.

                  It is the Indian government composed of numerous petty officials that is denying that definition. Pls take a look at Paras 15 and 16 at this link:
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                  15. The Committee in its concluding observations had asked the Government of India to submit information on a number of issues pertaining to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes.
                  16. In this context the Government of India reiterates its position that ‘caste’ cannot be equated with ‘race’ or covered under ‘descent’ under Article 1 of the Convention.
                  Most of the recommentions made by the CERD Comittee following the review of India report were about caste problems.

                  So India government is faced with a stone wall in selling its argument that Caste discriminiation is not racial discrimination.

                  Hope the above info is useful to you.

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                  • #10
                    i agree with agra partially. there are certain people in india who have been discriminated for unreasonable reasons. but this has been 'claimed' to have been abolished which i believe is not completely true in reality.
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                    • #11
                      Discrimination is discrimination whether its based on skin colour as in many european countries, USA and china. Or be it based on caste religion etc etc.

                      Agra first of all ur link is not working.

                      Secondly when u say that dalits and scheduled castes in india are discriminated against you should check ur data twice. Besides lots of lies has been said on the matter. There is a thread in this forum called "inter caste marriages" where in nikster and I had a thorough debate on the topic. May be u can read that and come back if have any more doubts on the subject.

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                      • #12
                        For people not born in India and talking about caste system, here's a thought- it's like me talking about chinese civil war. the fact that chinese fought amongst themselves so many times and still are two nations conveys something to me. It says chinese are not civilised and can't live peacefully with their own brothers!
                        how does that sound to you Agra?
                        Caste system in india is a social problem, much like the female foeticide in china. it has nothing to do with race. all indians, fair skinned, dark skinned, high caste, SC and dalits are the same in the eyes of law and except in rare instances their rights are well protected.
                        the only argument west keeps ringing against casteism is that inter caste marriages are taboo.
                        Well if we look at the percentage of interracial marriages in any nation of this world, it would be small. The last thing india needs is a lecture on marriages from pint size countries like france, uk or germany who are smaller than some states of india and the only cultural and social difference that they know of is hair and eye color in their population. and still germans marry germans, french marry french and worse still for a good part of last century they hated each other.
                        why then its such a big deal that people from a state in india marry generally in the same state!
                        all this is nothin but west's hypocrisy. After ruining Asia for close to 3 centuries, now they are giving wise opinions from the cozy bedrooms formed from the looted money of the colonies.
                        I 'll show u a new world!

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                        • #13
                          ok people lots of discussions going on in here. Let me tell you onething. Maybe many people in India are kind of discrimnatory. It happens. When people of 450 different languages and 2000 different ethnic groups and 10 different racial groups and freaking 30 different religions it is very hard to stay without any comments on any groups.

                          But look at India, so much diversity without any immigration. India's way more diverse then US.

                          Like common people if we don't make fun of a certain group then what's the fun in living. I have fun dissing some groups while at the same time its sometimes nice to hear jokes about my community.

                          Like take jokes lightly. We are friends and from the same country so we can have some fun. Like common friends have fight and make fun of each other and it doesn't mean we are racist or hate each other.

                          It's just that these things happen. So yeah we shouldn't give a damn about what other countries say about us.

                          about white people, we don't look upto them, neither we want to be like them.

                          Many people in India are whiter then them, which includes Pathans, Paharis, Kashmiris, people of Himachal Pradesh and Portuguese Indians and Greek Indians and many more.

                          We have all colours. so yeah we don't want to imitate other countries.

                          india can be called a world where every race and every type of living things coexist peacefully in harmony.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Neo
                            For people not born in India and talking about caste system, here's a thought- it's like me talking about chinese civil war. the fact that chinese fought amongst themselves so many times and still are two nations conveys something to me. It says chinese are not civilised and can't live peacefully with their own brothers!
                            how does that sound to you Agra?
                            Caste system in india is a social problem, much like the female foeticide in china. it has nothing to do with race. all indians, fair skinned, dark skinned, high caste, SC and dalits are the same in the eyes of law and except in rare instances their rights are well protected.
                            the only argument west keeps ringing against casteism is that inter caste marriages are taboo.
                            Well if we look at the percentage of interracial marriages in any nation of this world, it would be small. The last thing india needs is a lecture on marriages from pint size countries like france, uk or germany who are smaller than some states of india and the only cultural and social difference that they know of is hair and eye color in their population. and still germans marry germans, french marry french and worse still for a good part of last century they hated each other.
                            why then its such a big deal that people from a state in india marry generally in the same state!
                            all this is nothin but west's hypocrisy. After ruining Asia for close to 3 centuries, now they are giving wise opinions from the cozy bedrooms formed from the looted money of the colonies.
                            Neo, you are in that mood again. Yes, Parkis and Indians used to be brothers under one roof, so what became of them? Killing each other, separated. Would you say Indians are uncivilized? No point in such childish game.

                            For all the tea in India and in the world, the UN is not buying Indian government's argument on the issue of Dalits.
                            The link may be temorarily down. Try search "issues pertaining to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes" on Google and you will find a return on United Nations Press Release.

                            The modern story of ants and grasshoppers says a lot of the popular attitude. You will need to try harder to convince the UN.
                            Last edited by Agra; 03-19-2007, 04:41 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Agra
                              Neo, you are in that mood again. Yes, Parkis and Indians used to be brothers under one roof, so what became of them? Killing each other, separated. Would you say Indians are uncivilized? No point in such childish game.

                              For all the tea in India and in the world, the UN is not buying Indian government's argument on the issue of Dalits.
                              The link may be temorarily down. Try search "issues pertaining to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes" on Google and you will find a return on United Nations Press Release.

                              The modern story of ants and grasshoppers says a lot of the popular attitude. You will need to try harder to convince the UN.
                              religion separates india and pakistan. what separates china and taiwan? and what have the chinese faught so many civil wars over? as i said, me talking about chinese civil war will make u jump like a frog on an electrode but at the same time you and others foreigners are free in their "wisdom" about dalits and caste system...

                              india doesn't need to convince anyone. do u think china needs to convince UN about its human rights record? i know, another stinging question but then as i said people generally don't like to see mirror.

                              the modern story of ants and grasshoppers will hop straight over ur head because u have no idea of whats being discussed. it has been 60 years since independence and the so called dalits and SCs that outsiders are so "caring" about have benefited a lot during this time due to some reservation policy which at the time of independence was supposed to end after 20 years. The politics of votes has prevented that for decades and the discussion was meant to portray that feeling.
                              after all if we continue to take away jobs and education from those who deserve it based on merit, we would end up being communists! we just want to be socialist so that talk of ants and grasshoppers would make real sense to people who are born in this country. and rest assured, we will argue, we will debate and we will protest because thats what democracy is all about but despite all this ants and grasshoppers will thrive together, they will not kill each other in a civil war - have never done so.
                              I 'll show u a new world!

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